E string squeak
Posted 29 March 2001 - 07:00 PM
What do you guys think?
Will a wound E grip more - or is it purely technique????
Posted 29 March 2001 - 07:43 PM
Posted 29 March 2001 - 08:04 PM
Posted 29 March 2001 - 08:40 PM
The diameter of the string is quite small compared to the G where there is no squak soooo I imagine some more hair on the string or a slight buck up of Bow speed would reduce the problem.
I assume the Bow is not skidding if so square it, glazed rosin is capable of causing shrieks, hummm.
Newbies, when they do not put enough rosin on the Bow - often when they have not broken the gloss on a new block, worth checking too.
Hope that helps.
Posted 29 March 2001 - 09:11 PM
Now, I am sure that it was my playing that did it. But I also have found both before and since that some strings are forgiving of imperfect technique and some are not.
I think your friend ought to change strings and see if it helps. But also try to improve technique.
Posted 29 March 2001 - 10:20 PM
[This message has been edited by mark (edited 03-30-2001).]
Posted 29 March 2001 - 10:28 PM
Thanks, what a eye opener. I look forward to learning more about this.
Thanks everyone for your suggestions. My customer had a cheapie string I think Red Label Supa sens (the string I love to hate!) I was told that a Dominant wound E might work - so it was interesting to hear about the Doninants.
Hummmmm the plot thickens ...
Posted 30 March 2001 - 02:15 AM
Posted 30 March 2001 - 12:36 PM
I suspect the D'Addario speaker was Norman Pickering, their physics consultant.
The E-string whistle seems to accompany the gold-plated strings including Pirastro Olive and Obligato Es and the Thomastik Infeld Red E.
I've also found a trace of it on some other strings, but not nearly to that extent.
It seems to be related to using low pressure that gets the torsional mode going. A heavier bow pressure would get the lateral vibration going, but whould often make the E-string too loud, especially in a broken chord or arpeggio. Sometimes, even with the gold-plated strings, you can suppress the whistle by using one of those little tubes that come with the strings around the string at the bridge - probably dampens the torsional vibration.
These gold-plated strings give wonderful E-string tone on many violins, otherwise why would people put up with this problem?
Other E strings that have been recommended to get rid of the problem, and still have good tone and power are Pirastro Wondertone (also called "Gold Label" but not a gold-plated string), Westminister, Hill. I've also found that the Tonica E and the Zyex E do well and don't whistle. The Thomastic Infeld Blue string is also powerful and doesn't whistle. I've found the Dominant E strings I've tried (especially the Al-wound one) were softer (perhaps even duller) in tone than these others, and not a match for the other strings on my instruments (which by the way, cover a range of brands, selected to optimize each instrument).
[This message has been edited by Andrew Victor (edited 03-30-2001).]
Posted 03 April 2001 - 08:42 PM
Posted 03 April 2001 - 08:49 PM
Posted 03 April 2001 - 10:18 PM
I played Handel's sonata #5 A maj Allegro (which has a few open e double and triple stops) using my Helicore e. And guess what??
Squeakage big time!
I repeated the passage 4 times - same effect each time. Thought 'bugger this' and replaced my e with a wound Dominant.
First time through - perfect! No squeak.
So I am a fan of the wound E Dominant.
Posted 03 April 2001 - 11:49 PM
I notice with wound Es that they make a more rounded sound with few if any noticable overtones, like the Flute, but with unwound steel there's noticable overtone.
Why would windings dampen overtones?
Posted 05 April 2001 - 03:50 AM
BTW, I put a Gold E on an otherwise well behaved violin last night as an experiment, and it squeeks abominably on open E so long as my 1st finger touches the neck (not the string). Practising figure 8 open string crossings from A to E produces A - (1/2 second squeek on E) - E unless I bow forte or louder. This violin has a long scale and fairly high string tension - anyone have experience with gold Es on 'soft' feeling violins?
Oh well, back to the wound Eudoxa!
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