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#1 mmmm

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 02:22 AM

Any thoughts on this violin? Quite frankly the seller makes me nervous, but just curious about what the experts think...

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#2 Regis

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 07:28 AM

A search within the last several months will give you several folks view on this seller and their items

#3 Singingmaple

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 08:40 AM

I saw that one on thursday night. A friend and I were looking through auctions on Ebay amaized by some of the junk that gets passed off. I think we looked it up and couldn't find a maker by the labeled name. (out of 10 labels that we looked up only one was actually listed as a maker but died 20 years before it was made.) I remember this one getting a good laugh though because of the varnish.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 12:13 PM

..."Enrico Robella" was a tradename for a Markneukirchen manufacturer and has a good reputation...Elderly Instruments sometimes has examples -- e.g www.elderly.com/items/110U-4138.htm but which is already sold (photos are still there, however)...examples from the early thirties are quite good and their "Guarnerius" model in particular from that era is really quite excellent...Wichita instruments (www.wichitaband.com/violin.html) had a Strad model from 1930 listed for $2750 but it is already sold as well.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 12:21 PM

"Enrico Robella" was the tradename for a Markneukirchen manufacturer...their instruments have a good reputation -- in particular those from the thirties or earlier...Elderly Instruments sometimes carry them -- e.g. www.elderly.com/items/110U-4138.htm which is already sold although the photos are still available for viewing...Wichita Instruments (www.wichitaband.com/violin.htm) also had an example of a Strad model for $2750 but it is already sold as well...Robella's Guarnerius model from that era in particular is really quite excellent.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 12:31 PM

Sorry for the duplication of posts but when I hit "reply to topic" I get an error message and it's unclear whether the post goes through or not.

#7 Michael Darnton

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 06:29 PM

I had always heard that Enrico Robella was a Roth pseudonym (Ernst-heiNRIChO ROth), and never had reason to question that until I saw one the other day with a good original, never-moved label was definitely a John Juzek. Now I'm wondering if it was just a name for a wholesaler who collected instruments wherever he could find them, but mostly from Roth. The violin in this thread looks a lot like a Roth model, but not a Roth varnish job.
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Posted 27 August 2005 - 09:30 PM

In response to an inquiry about another of the many Roth pseudonyms, the Roth company recently confirmed for me that Enrico Robella was one of the names that they used. Michael may well be right that Juzek marketed some of the same instruments. I don't know. I do know that there has been a lot of discussion here about this seller premiereviolin, and the chances that this is NOT a Roth or a Juzek (or even the violin in the photos) are excellent.

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Posted 28 August 2005 - 04:30 AM

I have had Ebay dealings with Premier Violins (Jonathan Bloom) and I woudn't believe ANY claim he would make. I would never do business with him again.

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Posted 29 August 2005 - 06:20 PM

This seller intentionally markets this as a "Modern Italian" violin and a REAL maker, rather than a trade name violin. I have an Enrico Robella 1933 that is a decent fiddle, but to palm it off as modern Italian just because of the Milan reference on the label is a bit too much.

The shop that consigned it for 16.5k must have been a) retarded :) non-existent

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Posted 30 August 2005 - 08:10 PM

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have had Ebay dealings with Premier Violins (Jonathan Bloom) and I woudn't believe ANY claim he would make.

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That said, bidders should be wary of the "unclaimed" as well. The two condistions are taken directly from his disclaimer. His auctions seem to end at pretty high price (on eBay) and what bothers me is the private bidding business.

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